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		<title>By: O boom das longtails at Blog da Cenas a Pedal</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-69765</link>
		<dc:creator>O boom das longtails at Blog da Cenas a Pedal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pessoalmente, apaixonei-me por este conceito quando vi isto: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-7412</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is the coolest thing I&#8217;ve ever seen. I live not far from a major trail, which could take me directly to a grocery store (supposedly in the works) about a mile from my house. Perfect. Why do all the innovative no-car people live in Portland?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the coolest thing I&#8217;ve ever seen. I live not far from a major trail, which could take me directly to a grocery store (supposedly in the works) about a mile from my house. Perfect. Why do all the innovative no-car people live in Portland?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Hopper</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-7252</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Hopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;ve been riding my 2 year old around now in the Peapod for nearly 6 months. If it was on a non &#8220;X&#8221; bike, it would be a lot less stable, but with the longer wheelbase, it&#8217;s the most stable rear carrier bicycle set-up I&#8217;ve ever pedaled. My kudos to the Peapod folks; the Peapod is the sturdiest, stiffest rear child seat I&#8217;ve ever come across. No wobble or flex from the seat. Granted, my son is only 30 pounds, but the higher leverage on the &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;COG &lt;/span&gt;hasn&#8217;t been a problem unless the speed is under 2 mph. I&#8217;ve read others complaints of scary cornering dynamics with the Peapod, but I&#8217;ve had no issues, even when my son is moving around. The thought of dealing with a child trailer makes me downright nervous at this point, given the manuverability of the PeaPod/X combo. I do like the idea of the child seats that are between the seat and handlebars, but I feel that these are more limited in terms of the size of the children that they&#8217;ll accomodate. They&#8217;re greatest advantage is that they engage children in the action of &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;RIDING &lt;/span&gt;the bike, which helps them to learn proper bicycle ettiquette (assuming you follow it) and helps them transition to riding their own bike sooner. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To Karl: what&#8217;s supporting the little girl who&#8217;s sitting on the snapdeck? The V Racks and the snapdeck itself. I&#8217;ve loaded full size (200lb) adults on it without it collapsing, so I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;ll handle a sub 50 pound female child with no problem. As for places to hold on, as long as she&#8217;s got a good grip on the peapod, she&#8217;s unlikely to tumble off the back unless mom hits a very big pothole (which she should go &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;AROUND &lt;/span&gt;anyways to save the wheels from taco-ing) or she falls asleep and let&#8217;s go. Even with &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;SM, &lt;/span&gt;it&#8217;s unlikely the acceleration forces would overwhelm her grip. There is always the option of mounting a seatback to the snapdeck, though I haven&#8217;t seen anyone do this yet (please post pictures if you have!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been riding my 2 year old around now in the Peapod for nearly 6 months. If it was on a non &#8220;X&#8221; bike, it would be a lot less stable, but with the longer wheelbase, it&#8217;s the most stable rear carrier bicycle set-up I&#8217;ve ever pedaled. My kudos to the Peapod folks; the Peapod is the sturdiest, stiffest rear child seat I&#8217;ve ever come across. No wobble or flex from the seat. Granted, my son is only 30 pounds, but the higher leverage on the <span class="caps">COG </span>hasn&#8217;t been a problem unless the speed is under 2 mph. I&#8217;ve read others complaints of scary cornering dynamics with the Peapod, but I&#8217;ve had no issues, even when my son is moving around. The thought of dealing with a child trailer makes me downright nervous at this point, given the manuverability of the PeaPod/X combo. I do like the idea of the child seats that are between the seat and handlebars, but I feel that these are more limited in terms of the size of the children that they&#8217;ll accomodate. They&#8217;re greatest advantage is that they engage children in the action of <span class="caps">RIDING </span>the bike, which helps them to learn proper bicycle ettiquette (assuming you follow it) and helps them transition to riding their own bike sooner. </p>
<p>To Karl: what&#8217;s supporting the little girl who&#8217;s sitting on the snapdeck? The V Racks and the snapdeck itself. I&#8217;ve loaded full size (200lb) adults on it without it collapsing, so I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;ll handle a sub 50 pound female child with no problem. As for places to hold on, as long as she&#8217;s got a good grip on the peapod, she&#8217;s unlikely to tumble off the back unless mom hits a very big pothole (which she should go <span class="caps">AROUND </span>anyways to save the wheels from taco-ing) or she falls asleep and let&#8217;s go. Even with <span class="caps">SM, </span>it&#8217;s unlikely the acceleration forces would overwhelm her grip. There is always the option of mounting a seatback to the snapdeck, though I haven&#8217;t seen anyone do this yet (please post pictures if you have!)</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-7244</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I always considered the over-the-rear-wheel child seats for bicycles to be unsafe to&lt;br /&gt;
begin with.  When I worked as a bicycle mechanic, I would cringe and bite my lip every&lt;br /&gt;
time I was asked to install one.  Whenever I worked on the sales floor, I would politely&lt;br /&gt;
steer folks to bike trailers as a safer alternative to frame-mounted baby seats.  For example,&lt;br /&gt;
take a look at the second photo above: what is supporting the older child where she sits?  I&#8217;d be&lt;br /&gt;
scared to death that she&#8217;d slide right off the back of the carrier.  At least Mom had the good sense &lt;br /&gt;
and foresight to put helmets on the kids.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The best setup I remember seeing was on the Scioto River Valley tour in Ohio a few years ago.  Mom and&lt;br /&gt;
Dad on a tandem towing one kid on a Trail-A-Bike with yet another kid in a Burley trailer.  The whole setup&lt;br /&gt;
had to be close to twelve feet long, but it worked for them.  Still, I&#8217;d hate to see something like that&lt;br /&gt;
tip oer with the kids on board.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always considered the over-the-rear-wheel child seats for bicycles to be unsafe to<br />
begin with.  When I worked as a bicycle mechanic, I would cringe and bite my lip every<br />
time I was asked to install one.  Whenever I worked on the sales floor, I would politely<br />
steer folks to bike trailers as a safer alternative to frame-mounted baby seats.  For example,<br />
take a look at the second photo above: what is supporting the older child where she sits?  I&#8217;d be<br />
scared to death that she&#8217;d slide right off the back of the carrier.  At least Mom had the good sense <br />
and foresight to put helmets on the kids.  </p>
<p>The best setup I remember seeing was on the Scioto River Valley tour in Ohio a few years ago.  Mom and<br />
Dad on a tandem towing one kid on a Trail-A-Bike with yet another kid in a Burley trailer.  The whole setup<br />
had to be close to twelve feet long, but it worked for them.  Still, I&#8217;d hate to see something like that<br />
tip oer with the kids on board.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Hopper</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-1460</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Hopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 21:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sweet cheese &amp; rice, darn trackpad made that last post of mine totally obtuse! First sentence should have read: &#8220;Todd, I might be strongly interested&#8221;. Imitation being the most sincere form of flattery might have me building my own electronics/snapdeck box in the near future, as I&#8217;m working on setting up a shop w/ a buddy in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;SF.&lt;/span&gt; The only drawback for me on the shorter height would be not being able to use the more &#8220;standard&#8221; batteries that you supply&#8230; a dilemma.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet cheese &amp; rice, darn trackpad made that last post of mine totally obtuse! First sentence should have read: &#8220;Todd, I might be strongly interested&#8221;. Imitation being the most sincere form of flattery might have me building my own electronics/snapdeck box in the near future, as I&#8217;m working on setting up a shop w/ a buddy in <span class="caps">SF.</span> The only drawback for me on the shorter height would be not being able to use the more &#8220;standard&#8221; batteries that you supply&#8230; a dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Hopper</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-1459</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Hopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Todd, I miany pictures ght be interested. Of course, I don&#8217;t really have need for the box/battery if I have no SM&#195;&#162;&#226;?&#172;&#194;&#166; might you have an update for me inre: shipping / supply? Do you have any photos of the short box / special format battery combo?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, I miany pictures ght be interested. Of course, I don&#8217;t really have need for the box/battery if I have no SM&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;?&not;&Acirc;&brvbar; might you have an update for me inre: shipping / supply? Do you have any photos of the short box / special format battery combo?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 17:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian, I have a half-height prototype in quarter-sawn oak laminate/ply. The prime motivation for these boxes was to accommodate common brick-like battery formats, which tend to be around 4&#8243; on the minor side, so the short boxes don&#8217;t really fit the bill. If you&#8217;re strongly interested, I have a NiMH battery (large pack) in a special format to fit this short box. As a one-off/discontinued experiment, I&#8217;d sell it cheap, but there are some rough ends and limited support implications.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I have a half-height prototype in quarter-sawn oak laminate/ply. The prime motivation for these boxes was to accommodate common brick-like battery formats, which tend to be around 4&#8243; on the minor side, so the short boxes don&#8217;t really fit the bill. If you&#8217;re strongly interested, I have a NiMH battery (large pack) in a special format to fit this short box. As a one-off/discontinued experiment, I&#8217;d sell it cheap, but there are some rough ends and limited support implications.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Hopper</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-1433</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Hopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 09:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I may have said this elsewhere, but it would be nice to have a half box so that you could still use a PeaPod; I would buy one of those to go with my hopefully soon to be purchased Stokemonkey&#195;&#162;&#226;?&#172;&#194;&#166;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have said this elsewhere, but it would be nice to have a half box so that you could still use a PeaPod; I would buy one of those to go with my hopefully soon to be purchased Stokemonkey&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;?&not;&Acirc;&brvbar;</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian, that would be one of the too-nice battery box prototypes made last year, about which more another time: /?p=47&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, that would be one of the too-nice battery box prototypes made last year, about which more another time: /?p=47</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Hopper</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/01/23/one-mom-two-kids-four-bags-of-groceries-no-car/comment-page-1/#comment-1416</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Hopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 11:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Todd, what the devil is that black plastic &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;THING &lt;/span&gt;underneath the &#8220;snapdeck&#8221; (obviously not the original snapdeck either!) on the back of Xtravois? I&#8217;ve not seen that in any other photos of xtravois&#195;&#162;&#226;?&#172;&#194;&#166;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, what the devil is that black plastic <span class="caps">THING </span>underneath the &#8220;snapdeck&#8221; (obviously not the original snapdeck either!) on the back of Xtravois? I&#8217;ve not seen that in any other photos of xtravois&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;?&not;&Acirc;&brvbar;</p>
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