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		<title>By: dimitris</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-336850</link>
		<dc:creator>dimitris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very nice work there !!! 
I just put my 3 year old son as a simple co-rider without pedaling but on second thoughts i might change that after your splendit idea ... lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very nice work there !!!<br />
I just put my 3 year old son as a simple co-rider without pedaling but on second thoughts i might change that after your splendit idea &#8230; lol</p>
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		<title>By: Todd (admin)</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-288360</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, it does still fold, though it adds a few steps and isn&#039;t as compact as with the ITchair alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, it does still fold, though it adds a few steps and isn&#8217;t as compact as with the ITchair alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy heming</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-286909</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy heming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that the ITchair still allows the Brompton to fold properly.  Does your tandemised Brompton / ITchair still fold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the ITchair still allows the Brompton to fold properly.  Does your tandemised Brompton / ITchair still fold?</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-58280</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, thanks for your take on trikes.  Despite what many people believe, Denver is not mountainous (though the near by mountains are :-) but it&#039;s certainly not flat either.  I&#039;ve seen pictures of riders having to lean pretty far to get one around a corner even on a flat - probably not the deal.

I may find myself in Portland next summer and if that works out, I&#039;ll come test drive a Bak.  The Burley + 20 year old Schwinn is gettin it done so we&#039;ll see how the winter goes.

Eric, thanks for the tip on the tires.  I also saw a review for some Nokian studded tires over at Icebike.org as well as directions for making them myself (sounds like fun).  This gives me lots to think about.

I also know there are different types of chains/wires available.  I wonder if any of you has any experience with these.  It doesn&#039;t snow enough here to warrant leaving studded tires on my bike all season and I don&#039;t have an extra set of wheels.  It would be cool to be able to add and remove traction as needed (especially if I get caught at work in snow with my regular tires).

Bruce, congratulations.  I&#039;m moving back toward auto independence myself.  It&#039;s a distant memory now but I can imagine how you feel.  And I&#039;m with you on the helmet issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, thanks for your take on trikes.  Despite what many people believe, Denver is not mountainous (though the near by mountains are :-) but it&#8217;s certainly not flat either.  I&#8217;ve seen pictures of riders having to lean pretty far to get one around a corner even on a flat &#8211; probably not the deal.</p>
<p>I may find myself in Portland next summer and if that works out, I&#8217;ll come test drive a Bak.  The Burley + 20 year old Schwinn is gettin it done so we&#8217;ll see how the winter goes.</p>
<p>Eric, thanks for the tip on the tires.  I also saw a review for some Nokian studded tires over at Icebike.org as well as directions for making them myself (sounds like fun).  This gives me lots to think about.</p>
<p>I also know there are different types of chains/wires available.  I wonder if any of you has any experience with these.  It doesn&#8217;t snow enough here to warrant leaving studded tires on my bike all season and I don&#8217;t have an extra set of wheels.  It would be cool to be able to add and remove traction as needed (especially if I get caught at work in snow with my regular tires).</p>
<p>Bruce, congratulations.  I&#8217;m moving back toward auto independence myself.  It&#8217;s a distant memory now but I can imagine how you feel.  And I&#8217;m with you on the helmet issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stosberg</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-58185</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Stosberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations, Bruce!

It took me a long time to finally let go of my car, but I&#039;m so glad I did. 

   Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations, Bruce!</p>
<p>It took me a long time to finally let go of my car, but I&#8217;m so glad I did. </p>
<p>   Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilson</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-58175</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is stories like that about the skid that make me in favor of helmets, but that&#039;s an old argument that we&#039;ve been over before.

My main reason for coming here is to let everyone know that I finally did it.  I got rid of my car.  I&#039;m now car-free.  No more taxes, no more insurance, no more gassing up. I feel wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is stories like that about the skid that make me in favor of helmets, but that&#8217;s an old argument that we&#8217;ve been over before.</p>
<p>My main reason for coming here is to let everyone know that I finally did it.  I got rid of my car.  I&#8217;m now car-free.  No more taxes, no more insurance, no more gassing up. I feel wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Sandblom</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-58114</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Sandblom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, studded tyres!

I&#039;ve had a bad spill on frost. It was surprising because it happened really fast. The ground got up and smacked me. I wasn&#039;t wearing gloves, and I didn&#039;t want to scratch my hands, so...

After that I got Hakkapeliitta A10 studded tyres and can recommend them. They give me immense control even on slush-covered ice. But they turn my bike into a tank, so I seldom use them, and just try to be careful instead.

Plowed and sanded surfaces make it a lot easier to ride through the winter, even with ordinary tyres. No salt please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, studded tyres!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a bad spill on frost. It was surprising because it happened really fast. The ground got up and smacked me. I wasn&#8217;t wearing gloves, and I didn&#8217;t want to scratch my hands, so&#8230;</p>
<p>After that I got Hakkapeliitta A10 studded tyres and can recommend them. They give me immense control even on slush-covered ice. But they turn my bike into a tank, so I seldom use them, and just try to be careful instead.</p>
<p>Plowed and sanded surfaces make it a lot easier to ride through the winter, even with ordinary tyres. No salt please!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd (admin)</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-58087</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We made sustained attempts to bring in Christiania. They fear lawsuits, or rather, their lawyers tell them they should. It seems that in most of the world, Americans are known as the people who not only patronize McDonald&#039;s, but then sue them for serving coffee hot enough to burn if you try to drink and drive. Christiania makes a selling point of the propensity to tip with competitions to see who can ride longest on 2 wheels. Don&#039;t get the wrong idea: I don&#039;t mean to single out any upright trike design for this observation, but trikes don&#039;t ride like bikes. They are slower and they tip rather easily at the kind of speeds easily attained in places with any kinds of grades. I see trikes as &quot;exceptional&quot; in their ideal applications: for people who can&#039;t ride bikes or for payloads above several hundred pounds in perfectly flat places like factory floors or maybe Copenhagen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We made sustained attempts to bring in Christiania. They fear lawsuits, or rather, their lawyers tell them they should. It seems that in most of the world, Americans are known as the people who not only patronize McDonald&#8217;s, but then sue them for serving coffee hot enough to burn if you try to drink and drive. Christiania makes a selling point of the propensity to tip with competitions to see who can ride longest on 2 wheels. Don&#8217;t get the wrong idea: I don&#8217;t mean to single out any upright trike design for this observation, but trikes don&#8217;t ride like bikes. They are slower and they tip rather easily at the kind of speeds easily attained in places with any kinds of grades. I see trikes as &#8220;exceptional&#8221; in their ideal applications: for people who can&#8217;t ride bikes or for payloads above several hundred pounds in perfectly flat places like factory floors or maybe Copenhagen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-58083</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

Since Workcycles carries the/a Christiania, it might not be too hard to get Dutchbikes to import them too. Yes, people might pull a Three Bears- &quot;this bike is too small, this trike is too big... ah, this bike is just right.&quot; I assume that even though you carry both the short and long bakfiets, you sell more of the long. Possibly people are looking for even more carrying capacity?

It seems to me that stocking even a single trike would help customers quickly narrow down on a purchase, as opposed to vacillating between a bike they&#039;ve test ridden and a trike that they&#039;ve only heard of. They can figure out how they want to make the tradeoff between capacity, stability, maneuverability, weight, etc., literally by the seat of their pants.

Who knows, you might even sell some of the trikes- the Christianias are among the better ones out there (don&#039;t know about the Azors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>Since Workcycles carries the/a Christiania, it might not be too hard to get Dutchbikes to import them too. Yes, people might pull a Three Bears- &#8220;this bike is too small, this trike is too big&#8230; ah, this bike is just right.&#8221; I assume that even though you carry both the short and long bakfiets, you sell more of the long. Possibly people are looking for even more carrying capacity?</p>
<p>It seems to me that stocking even a single trike would help customers quickly narrow down on a purchase, as opposed to vacillating between a bike they&#8217;ve test ridden and a trike that they&#8217;ve only heard of. They can figure out how they want to make the tradeoff between capacity, stability, maneuverability, weight, etc., literally by the seat of their pants.</p>
<p>Who knows, you might even sell some of the trikes- the Christianias are among the better ones out there (don&#8217;t know about the Azors).</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2006/08/23/itandem/comment-page-1/#comment-58007</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about a cargo trike though I&#039;ve never been on one (maybe I&#039;ll find one to ride at Veloswap tomorrow).  Now I&#039;m pulling my daughter in a trailer which works except when we want to talk with each other (which is every day after preschool).  Having her closer (on the deck of a long tail or in the the front like on a Bakfiets or tadpole type cargo trike) would be great.

The other norning I was on my way to work without her and I hit this bike/pedestrian bridge a little too hot.  The bike went into a front wheel skid on the frosty surface and then went out from under me.  Neither I nor the bike was hurt but if she&#039;d been on it, it would have freaked me right out.

Of course I could have avoided this accident by paying closer attention or choosing the near by but differently surfaced bridge that doesn&#039;t frost as easily.  I&#039;m a reasonably skilled rider and I haven&#039;t dropped a bike in years but here it happened and what if it happened with her on it, you know?

A trike seems to offer an advantage in such situations but I can imagine that tipping one over would be very unpleasant. Maybe the low COG of the Bakfiets with its shorter distance to fall compares favorably.  I&#039;d be interested to hear from anyone with direct experience of both.

Todd:  I saw a story about Bakfietsen on Carectomy today and it had a link to your site.  Very Cool.  And yesterday we were at a large LBS looking at Trek &quot;comfort&quot; bikes for my wife.  The guys in the shop were sufficiently interested in this mysterious idea of useful bikes that I got them to visit your site and Xtracycle&#039;s and Riding the Spine.  That was fun.  This all just might catch on!

jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about a cargo trike though I&#8217;ve never been on one (maybe I&#8217;ll find one to ride at Veloswap tomorrow).  Now I&#8217;m pulling my daughter in a trailer which works except when we want to talk with each other (which is every day after preschool).  Having her closer (on the deck of a long tail or in the the front like on a Bakfiets or tadpole type cargo trike) would be great.</p>
<p>The other norning I was on my way to work without her and I hit this bike/pedestrian bridge a little too hot.  The bike went into a front wheel skid on the frosty surface and then went out from under me.  Neither I nor the bike was hurt but if she&#8217;d been on it, it would have freaked me right out.</p>
<p>Of course I could have avoided this accident by paying closer attention or choosing the near by but differently surfaced bridge that doesn&#8217;t frost as easily.  I&#8217;m a reasonably skilled rider and I haven&#8217;t dropped a bike in years but here it happened and what if it happened with her on it, you know?</p>
<p>A trike seems to offer an advantage in such situations but I can imagine that tipping one over would be very unpleasant. Maybe the low COG of the Bakfiets with its shorter distance to fall compares favorably.  I&#8217;d be interested to hear from anyone with direct experience of both.</p>
<p>Todd:  I saw a story about Bakfietsen on Carectomy today and it had a link to your site.  Very Cool.  And yesterday we were at a large LBS looking at Trek &#8220;comfort&#8221; bikes for my wife.  The guys in the shop were sufficiently interested in this mysterious idea of useful bikes that I got them to visit your site and Xtracycle&#8217;s and Riding the Spine.  That was fun.  This all just might catch on!</p>
<p>jeff</p>
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