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		<title>By: Ya gotta love the Dutch! &#124; Salmon Nation Euroblog</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-358567</link>
		<dc:creator>Ya gotta love the Dutch! &#124; Salmon Nation Euroblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for four. Why? Because they can be towed by bike! We think water, fire and bikes are already key parts of living well in Portland; we love how the Dutchtub ties together all three in a virtuous spiral, “sober and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Todd (admin)</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337561</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Gretchan -- you&#039;ll love it I&#039;m sure. This is the 4th wood guy we&#039;ve dealt with, and the only one we plan to deal with in future: alex: (971) 226-7626. wood is as described, and helps stack. neither the cheapest nor the most expensive, but see &quot;wood is as described and helps stack.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Gretchan &#8212; you&#8217;ll love it I&#8217;m sure. This is the 4th wood guy we&#8217;ve dealt with, and the only one we plan to deal with in future: alex: (971) 226-7626. wood is as described, and helps stack. neither the cheapest nor the most expensive, but see &#8220;wood is as described and helps stack.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchan J</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337551</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretchan J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are close to finalizing an order with Woodstock Soapstone Company  ( www.woodstove.com )and are wondering if anyone else is too. I&#039;d love to negotiate a discount for group order if we had 2 or 3 folks interested. 

Contact me this week if yes. 

This blog singlehandedly (along with Todd and Jeremy&#039;s additional posts) convinced me to bring a clean burning woodstove into the house this year. Thanks all.

Gretchan
gretjksn at aol dot com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are close to finalizing an order with Woodstock Soapstone Company  ( <a href="http://www.woodstove.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodstove.com</a> )and are wondering if anyone else is too. I&#8217;d love to negotiate a discount for group order if we had 2 or 3 folks interested. </p>
<p>Contact me this week if yes. </p>
<p>This blog singlehandedly (along with Todd and Jeremy&#8217;s additional posts) convinced me to bring a clean burning woodstove into the house this year. Thanks all.</p>
<p>Gretchan<br />
gretjksn at aol dot com</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337547</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I retired I left the east coast for the northern US Rockies; choosing to live in a 2.2 million acre national forest west of Glacier National Park.  I purposely downsized (or should I say right-sized) to a comfortable, moderately-sized house.  I swapped out the old inefficient wood stove in it for a new EPA stove since propane is so high (I call it the California affect, higher prices on many items in the West seem to stem in part from that huge consuming behemoth&#039;s insatiable appetite). I&#039;m fortunate that my house has an open floor plan that allows the wood stove to heat the entire house.  [IMG]http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL442/7447283/14154973/333404307.jpg[/IMG]  I buck and split my own wood, cutting downed trees (I don&#039;t try to fell any).  I conserve as much as possible.  I supplement my transportation using my mountain bike, much more after installing power assist this summer (hills and my knees didn&#039;t agree).  I&#039;m fortunate to have fruit trees that I can harvest and freeze the fruits to enjoy year round.  I also have two greenhouses to grow vegetables. Even though I have to do a lot more physically to sustain my lifestyle, I can say I&#039;m far happier and healthier than I was when I was an urbanite.  Cities, and the lifestyles they promote, aren&#039;t very healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I retired I left the east coast for the northern US Rockies; choosing to live in a 2.2 million acre national forest west of Glacier National Park.  I purposely downsized (or should I say right-sized) to a comfortable, moderately-sized house.  I swapped out the old inefficient wood stove in it for a new EPA stove since propane is so high (I call it the California affect, higher prices on many items in the West seem to stem in part from that huge consuming behemoth&#8217;s insatiable appetite). I&#8217;m fortunate that my house has an open floor plan that allows the wood stove to heat the entire house.  [IMG]http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL442/7447283/14154973/333404307.jpg[/IMG]  I buck and split my own wood, cutting downed trees (I don&#8217;t try to fell any).  I conserve as much as possible.  I supplement my transportation using my mountain bike, much more after installing power assist this summer (hills and my knees didn&#8217;t agree).  I&#8217;m fortunate to have fruit trees that I can harvest and freeze the fruits to enjoy year round.  I also have two greenhouses to grow vegetables. Even though I have to do a lot more physically to sustain my lifestyle, I can say I&#8217;m far happier and healthier than I was when I was an urbanite.  Cities, and the lifestyles they promote, aren&#8217;t very healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: konrad</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337535</link>
		<dc:creator>konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on the stove!  Don&#039;t let anyone tell you it pollutes more than conventional heat!  It pollutes a lot less.  How much pollution do you think is involved in producing and transporting 200 hundred gallons of heating oil to your house?  Or how about electricity.  Don&#039;t even get me started on the natural gas.  We use a couple of fans to move the heat around our house.  Scrounge for wood!  Often if you see a treeservice taking down a tree they&#039;re happy to dump it your house because otherwise they have to pay to get rid of it.  I run a grounds department and I save all the wood we cut from dead and fallen trees.  Every day I carry some home on my Big Dummy and that accounts for most of our firewood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on the stove!  Don&#8217;t let anyone tell you it pollutes more than conventional heat!  It pollutes a lot less.  How much pollution do you think is involved in producing and transporting 200 hundred gallons of heating oil to your house?  Or how about electricity.  Don&#8217;t even get me started on the natural gas.  We use a couple of fans to move the heat around our house.  Scrounge for wood!  Often if you see a treeservice taking down a tree they&#8217;re happy to dump it your house because otherwise they have to pay to get rid of it.  I run a grounds department and I save all the wood we cut from dead and fallen trees.  Every day I carry some home on my Big Dummy and that accounts for most of our firewood.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337529</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugghh!  I really should have proof read that before I hit submit.  You get the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugghh!  I really should have proof read that before I hit submit.  You get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337528</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the party on this one but I&#039;d like to say that I too try to heat my house with wood as much as possible.  Our Winters are much colder out here on the East Coast, so my stove only supplements the gas heat.  I&#039;m hoping to reside my home and insulate it while also installing a new stove so it may be possible for me 

A couple of points I&#039;d like to make

Wood may be renewable but I don&#039;t think it is sustainable.  If everybody in Portland decided to heat their homes with wood, it wouldn&#039;t take long to strip your local bare of trees.  I learned in one of my forestry classes that it takes approximately 6 acres of forested land to sustainable heat one efficient 2000sq ft home with wood.  In fact in New England wood use for heat is so prevalent that it is a real concern of many foresters.  

As I use wood for my heat I recognize this reality but still us wood for several reasons.  Mostly, the wood that I use would go to waste anyway and decay or be ground up for mulch.  People falsely believe that decaying wood doesn&#039;t release CO2 but that is far from the case.  The microbial processes that happen as wood decays releases CO2 anyway.  So I feel it is better for me to burn the wood and release the CO2 in a way that allows me to enjoy the heat energy.  It also allows me to prevent burning a non-renewable carbon based fuel.  In my case that is natural gas.

Also, I don&#039;t tend to burn wood too much in the warmer months of Fall and Spring.  Yes it is often cold enough for the heat to come on but if I were to burn wood, the house would become unbearably hot and I would be forced to open the windows.  Instead of wasting that precious wood heat out the windows I simply allow the conventional forced air heat to come on, which it does only occasionally and is much easier to regulate.  If it gets cold at night, typically bellow 42F, I&#039;ll make a fire and have it burn through most of the night.  Only if the forecast is for high temps below 45F during the day will I consider burning a fire during the day as well. 

Finally and what I found most interesting is that you bring up burning wood in the first place.  Here in New Jersey I know of at least 4 bicycle shops that use wood to heat their shops.  For one, my wheel builder, it is the main source of heat if not the only source.  There is something about being a cyclist that makes one keenly aware about the conservation of energy; whether that is in keeping ones momentum while on two wheel or heating ones home or workplace.

Keep the home fires burning!

My best,

Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party on this one but I&#8217;d like to say that I too try to heat my house with wood as much as possible.  Our Winters are much colder out here on the East Coast, so my stove only supplements the gas heat.  I&#8217;m hoping to reside my home and insulate it while also installing a new stove so it may be possible for me </p>
<p>A couple of points I&#8217;d like to make</p>
<p>Wood may be renewable but I don&#8217;t think it is sustainable.  If everybody in Portland decided to heat their homes with wood, it wouldn&#8217;t take long to strip your local bare of trees.  I learned in one of my forestry classes that it takes approximately 6 acres of forested land to sustainable heat one efficient 2000sq ft home with wood.  In fact in New England wood use for heat is so prevalent that it is a real concern of many foresters.  </p>
<p>As I use wood for my heat I recognize this reality but still us wood for several reasons.  Mostly, the wood that I use would go to waste anyway and decay or be ground up for mulch.  People falsely believe that decaying wood doesn&#8217;t release CO2 but that is far from the case.  The microbial processes that happen as wood decays releases CO2 anyway.  So I feel it is better for me to burn the wood and release the CO2 in a way that allows me to enjoy the heat energy.  It also allows me to prevent burning a non-renewable carbon based fuel.  In my case that is natural gas.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t tend to burn wood too much in the warmer months of Fall and Spring.  Yes it is often cold enough for the heat to come on but if I were to burn wood, the house would become unbearably hot and I would be forced to open the windows.  Instead of wasting that precious wood heat out the windows I simply allow the conventional forced air heat to come on, which it does only occasionally and is much easier to regulate.  If it gets cold at night, typically bellow 42F, I&#8217;ll make a fire and have it burn through most of the night.  Only if the forecast is for high temps below 45F during the day will I consider burning a fire during the day as well. </p>
<p>Finally and what I found most interesting is that you bring up burning wood in the first place.  Here in New Jersey I know of at least 4 bicycle shops that use wood to heat their shops.  For one, my wheel builder, it is the main source of heat if not the only source.  There is something about being a cyclist that makes one keenly aware about the conservation of energy; whether that is in keeping ones momentum while on two wheel or heating ones home or workplace.</p>
<p>Keep the home fires burning!</p>
<p>My best,</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337520</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gretchan, we also elected to have someone else install the chimney liner for our cast-iron, fireplace-inserted wood stove. Small price to pay for the expertise. 

Nevertheless, Todd&#039;s excellent post inspired me to provide a little more perspective on the different methods for using wood stoves, as well as a few considerations. Check the article out here:

http://www.towseyfrench.com/2009/10/26/retrofitting-for-wood-stove-heat/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchan, we also elected to have someone else install the chimney liner for our cast-iron, fireplace-inserted wood stove. Small price to pay for the expertise. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, Todd&#8217;s excellent post inspired me to provide a little more perspective on the different methods for using wood stoves, as well as a few considerations. Check the article out here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.towseyfrench.com/2009/10/26/retrofitting-for-wood-stove-heat/" rel="nofollow">http://www.towseyfrench.com/2009/10/26/retrofitting-for-wood-stove-heat/</a></p>
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		<title>By: towseyfrench.com &#124; Retrofitting for Wood Stove Heat</title>
		<link>http://clevercycles.com/blog/2009/09/30/wood-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-337519</link>
		<dc:creator>towseyfrench.com &#124; Retrofitting for Wood Stove Heat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fuel, heat, solid fuel, stove, wood stove   Todd Fahrner recently published an excellent update on the Clever Cycles blog, outlining his family&#8217;s experience augmenting their central heating system with a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fuel, heat, solid fuel, stove, wood stove   Todd Fahrner recently published an excellent update on the Clever Cycles blog, outlining his family&#8217;s experience augmenting their central heating system with a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Todd (admin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gretchan, Portland building code and manufacturer&#039;s recommendations call for:

* installing a full stainless liner all the way up the chimney
* siting the stove 18&quot; from any combustible material
* placing the stove on a non-combustible pad of sufficient thickness to protect the floor/subfloor. Prefab hearth pads are available, but we contracted with a stone mason who laid down 2 thick natural slabs of bluestone, rough finish, working them just enough to fit together and the space. there&#039;s a thick soft pad compressed beneath to protect the fir flooring. 

Additionally we installed an outside air intake so the stove doesn&#039;t send warmer inside air up the chimney. We routed it through the ash trap of our 1910 chimney; drilled a hole to the outside. Hard to describe... I don&#039;t remember whether code requires this, but there&#039;s an Oregon tax credit available if you do install it this way.

We deliberated whether to undertake the liner install ourselves, and in retrospect could have pulled it off, but we were too nervous to risk messing it up or missing some important safety issue in our inexperience. Plus our tallest ladder wasn&#039;t really tall enough to do it. If in doubt, I&#039;d say you should pay to have it done.

Feel free to drop by some cold evening or maybe one of our off days (ask) to check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchan, Portland building code and manufacturer&#8217;s recommendations call for:</p>
<p>* installing a full stainless liner all the way up the chimney<br />
* siting the stove 18&#8243; from any combustible material<br />
* placing the stove on a non-combustible pad of sufficient thickness to protect the floor/subfloor. Prefab hearth pads are available, but we contracted with a stone mason who laid down 2 thick natural slabs of bluestone, rough finish, working them just enough to fit together and the space. there&#8217;s a thick soft pad compressed beneath to protect the fir flooring. </p>
<p>Additionally we installed an outside air intake so the stove doesn&#8217;t send warmer inside air up the chimney. We routed it through the ash trap of our 1910 chimney; drilled a hole to the outside. Hard to describe&#8230; I don&#8217;t remember whether code requires this, but there&#8217;s an Oregon tax credit available if you do install it this way.</p>
<p>We deliberated whether to undertake the liner install ourselves, and in retrospect could have pulled it off, but we were too nervous to risk messing it up or missing some important safety issue in our inexperience. Plus our tallest ladder wasn&#8217;t really tall enough to do it. If in doubt, I&#8217;d say you should pay to have it done.</p>
<p>Feel free to drop by some cold evening or maybe one of our off days (ask) to check it out.</p>
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